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Post by gearultima on May 31, 2005 17:02:05 GMT -5
i will give an example to you guys. if you do something in your life by your own people can say that god helped you,but you needed to do something. if you dont do nothing,nothing is what you have in change. p.jon paul died a couple of months ago and it will be remembered for ever. wen i die no one (exept my mother or son i hope)will remember me. BUT.....if i do something big in my life that maibe i can be remembered somehow. and if i am remembered that will mean that god left something to humanity using me as a mensseger.
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Post by booo on May 31, 2005 17:36:53 GMT -5
God helps those who help themselves
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Post by gearultima on May 31, 2005 20:21:28 GMT -5
i missed you man. you are the one making this a challeng. to topic now. yep that is what they say.but the teory is that god helps those who *do something* but those guys are doing something on theyre own.
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Post by chaos unleashed on Jun 1, 2005 4:19:07 GMT -5
i will give an example to you guys. if you do something in your life by your own people can say that god helped you,but you needed to do something. if you dont do nothing,nothing is what you have in change. p.jon paul died a couple of months ago and it will be remembered for ever. wen i die no one (exept my mother or son i hope)will remember me. BUT.....if i do something big in my life that maibe i can be remembered somehow. and if i am remembered that will mean that god left something to humanity using me as a mensseger. Well, the reason so many people remember him is becasue he was the head of the catholic church and kept the magesterium intact, he tried to bring peace, so obviously he will get remembered becasue he was such a big icon to people, If you do what God wants, which is to help the least of your neighbours, it wont matter if you will be remembered if you die, becasue its not the point, the point will be that you pleased God,
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Post by booo on Jun 1, 2005 4:46:25 GMT -5
You can't just sit back and expect God to do all the work for you... Like I said before, God doesn't run around flaunting his power, if anything he uses it in subtle ways that are not blaringly obvious. If you get something going nice and good, he might throw you a bone and make things turn out in your favor or he might not.
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Post by gearultima on Jun 1, 2005 17:38:10 GMT -5
You can't just sit back and expect God to do all the work for you... Like I said before, God doesn't run around flaunting his power, if anything he uses it in subtle ways that are not blaringly obvious. If you get something going nice and good, he might throw you a bone and make things turn out in your favor or he might not. thats exactely what i wanted you to say. so i supose that god (existing or not)is some kind of *i help you but you dont know ho helped you out*. that is great cause we have a divine force looking for us in the skys above. for the other side is bad cause he dont know if it was our luck or his intrevention.
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Post by booo on Jun 3, 2005 16:28:16 GMT -5
Its called "faith" for a reason, you know.
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Post by gearultima on Jun 3, 2005 17:37:23 GMT -5
hhhhhhaaaaaaarrrrrggggggggg.do you always have an awnser? kiding. faith is a thing that determinates peoples caracters.eaverybody have faith the question is in what.
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Post by Red Exodus on Jun 4, 2005 12:55:03 GMT -5
God doesn't interfere with your lives unless you ask him to. Everything that happens to you, whether it being good or bad, was all determined by fate. Unless you asked God to help, he won't help. That's not how he works.
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Post by chaos unleashed on Jun 4, 2005 13:47:17 GMT -5
Well, I do beleive in fate, but I beleive it is God's helper who helps us reach what we want, or punishes us for what we have done,
I beleive that God rewards people as well as punishing them, if a non beleiver was to curse God, I do think he will be considering to look at his reason, and if its not acceptable, I feel sorry for that dude,
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Post by gearultima on Jun 12, 2005 22:22:43 GMT -5
ok this is starting to get stupid.there are tree kindes of faiths. those who belive for teaching,those who believe for respect or even the church pupets. and this is all there is. and please zop dont awser to this one cause i am already out of awsers
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Post by Red Exodus on Jun 12, 2005 22:42:41 GMT -5
Actually Chaos, fate itself isn't a thing or person.
One could say that fate itself, is God's plan for you. Whatever happens in your life, good or bad has already been predetermined and set up.
In other words, it didn't randomly just happen.
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Post by chaos unleashed on Jun 13, 2005 2:29:39 GMT -5
yeah, but then our 'free will' is kind of being abused if we already know what God has in store for us, I reckon we make our own fate, and its up to God to decide whether he is to take action
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Post by gearultima on Jun 13, 2005 20:43:26 GMT -5
our free will are the god plans. he can chose anything but god already predicted it and have alredy seted us a course.
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Post by Red Exodus on Jun 14, 2005 8:26:44 GMT -5
The point is, you're never TRULY free from God. Not that we're slaves or anything, but it's just fact.
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