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Post by chaos unleashed on Jan 20, 2005 13:16:42 GMT -5
I have my personal beleifs on this topic.
Many say 'If there's a God, why is there suffering in the world??'
My theory to this is that there will come a time when the one's in poverty will be the one's who receive salvation when the time comes, IMO, I think God will judge the people who help their neighbours in time of need, in that way, both will get given mercy on the last day.
When people say there is no God, and it's all to do with science...It pisses me off becasue even if for some ridiculous reason this is true, we need something to beleive in.
I know it's true becasue theirs evidance that Jesus walked the earth, his cloth he was wraped in when he was crucified, is in a museum.
Im a religious guy, so I have my views, I've got a whole load of other reasons, but let's here your opinions ^__^
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Post by theking90 on Jan 20, 2005 13:25:05 GMT -5
Man as much as you might hate to hear this. I don't think there is any god/gods. But as for he reson why I don't think there is a god, It would take about a month to say why and I don't really want to get into that. But I do think this needed posting. Cause everyone believes in what they believe in.
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Post by booo on Jan 20, 2005 15:04:14 GMT -5
If God don't exist... Where did we come from? Alright, evolution. I suppose that works. ...Where did all them planets and stuff come from? Alright, big bang. Good nuff, I suppose. ...What sparked the explosion?
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Post by Red Exodus on Jan 20, 2005 18:19:52 GMT -5
Personally, I believe that evolution is God's plan. He specifically set up this natural event to happen. It's like a program that God set up to keep changing as it's pre-set to do.
So although Adam & Eve aren't real, God still is. He just created everything differently than from what we believed.
Yes, I do believe. Only because evolution is too perfect. And by that I mean look at us. We just happened to come along due to a natural stage of life?
Bullshit. Someone had a hand in it.
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Post by booo on Jan 20, 2005 18:52:24 GMT -5
The way I see evolution is pretty simple: I won't deny it exists - There is undeniable proof of 'small scale' evolution (ie simple natural selection stuff such as bacteria becoming resiliant to antibiotics), but to me, the odds of us evolving from apes into exactly what we are today are so stupifyingly astronomical that it's impossible to even fathom unless you believe in God and believe that he used evolution as a tool of sorts to prep us up into what we are, which is basically what Red said. As for Adam and Eve, they could have perhaps just been the 'original' pair of what we consider modern humans. Don't have to rule them out completely
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Post by chaos unleashed on Jan 21, 2005 12:48:22 GMT -5
yeah, what ZopharX said,
We are all the images of God, and if we evolved from monkeys and apes, what are we trying to say about God,
I completley agree with the Big Bang theory, I mean, 1 day it suddenly decided to happen when all the particles got bored and decided, oh yeah, lets make a trillion universes and maybe in like a million years after there will be things appearing... NO WAY
my theory is:
God made Dinosaurs and the whole crustasius, Triassic and Jurassic so that they could walk the earth and mould the ground good so that one day man will walk it, ok, theres evolution, which made Apes, but I think Adam and Eve existed, but the bible says it's a fruit, not an apple, the apple is just used, If there was no adam and eve, how'd we get great people like Noah, we beleive in him dont we, and what was he trying to tell his people before the flood? he said that God is angry with them, we beleive in Noah and his existance, and Noah talked with God..
Maybe evolution was only for animals apart from us.. I mean, after another million years, will we still be the same or will we evolve?
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Post by Red Exodus on Jan 21, 2005 13:28:18 GMT -5
Evolve most likely. I mean, I look at pictures of people from the 1800s and there's a BIG difference in appearance.
In any event, I don't think we'll evolve too much, since we're gonna kill ourselves way before we reach our fullest potential.
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Post by chaos unleashed on Jan 21, 2005 15:34:16 GMT -5
I dont see much difference.. not over 100 years, not even over 500 years in the times of Henry VIII can I see a difference, sure theres different clothes but that's about it
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Post by theking90 on Jan 21, 2005 15:52:14 GMT -5
Well yeah but evolution if there is such a thing is said to take tne of thousands of years.
But there have been such thing as in happening in about 50 years. And one takes place where there were a lot of butterflies. And there were some that where white and some that were black. BUt most were white when they were born. And the reson being is that they would be the same color as the trees that they land on. And being a black butterfly on a white tree makes you stick out more, and then making you a bigger target for birds to come and eat you. Now just about 50 years ago where there were all of those butterflies a factory was put in to make something (I'm not sure what.) And with all of the smoke it was putting out it made all of the trees black. And then all of the white butterflie stood out and not the black ones. And then because of the more black buttflies started being born. And more white butterflies being eaten. And then because of that the numbers switched for most of the butterflies from white to black.
And I think that proves that there is such a thing as eveolution.
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Post by booo on Jan 21, 2005 21:28:46 GMT -5
Like I said, you cannot really argue against the existence of small scale evolution/natural selection.
With the butterflies, the white ones were extremely visible against the dark backdrops, causing them to be easier to prey upon. Whereas the dark colored ones blended in more with their environment. Because the dark colored butterflies had a higher survival rate, they were able to pass on their black color to their offspring (much like my father gave me his black hair), whereas the white ones died before mating. With humans/apes, we somehow went from being weirdos throwing stones at each other and screaming "OOGA BOOGA!" to being smartarses creating cars and computers and going to the moon n' such.
I'd say theres a fair bit of difference.
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Post by The Badguy on Jan 21, 2005 22:53:22 GMT -5
Mmmm... I do believe that there was a "It" as I like to call the omnipotent ??? that created the little particles that sparked life. I am a practicing Catholic, but I'm also a questioner. Not of if "God" is real, not of scientific contradictions to the bible. But I've had a flurry of thoughts about where we go when we die and where God is now. It's hard to talk of this because it's a VERY touchy subject, especially when you go to a public school full of conflicting religions and ideas of all sorts. First of all, I certainly don't believe we rot in the ground for eternity, but I'm not quite sure of Heaven or Hell either. I've had many thoughts about what happens but it seems the most prominent I've ever had, has to do with reincarnation or recycling of the body, or rather parts of it. The thought I had was about past lives, where do they come from? What if our dreams about something we've never done was actually part of our own action in another life. I thought about decomposition for nutrients in the earth, recycling, plants suck up nutrients, animals eat plants, humans eat animals. What if a tiny bit of the memory fragments of someone else's mind were to travel along this path? Therefore, a conclusive thought came to me that we may not be reincarnated as ourselves, but from many pieces melded together, each with it's own strengths, memory bits, and mentalities. It may sound like a bit of a fantasy or movie-esque triviality, but it is just a melded and worked opinion of mine, made from years of thought. Now as for "God", the possibilities are endless. One idea is that he is beyond reality itself. A bending shapeless area of non-existence. One way to try and explain this thought is that this universe is just a mold of playdoh and this is where "It" delves, where "It" can see reality in any form before it happens and controls if the would-be exising creation would form or just cease, but It's really quite hard to explain a non-existent existence. These are just my opinions, I don't mind what you think of them, but please do not criticize me for them as they are just long contemplated thoughts that popped into my head at one moment or another.
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Post by Red Exodus on Jan 21, 2005 23:09:00 GMT -5
Hey, so long as I'm mod, no one is going to give hasty, or bad criticism on one another. I got your back.
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Post by theking90 on Jan 22, 2005 0:08:04 GMT -5
Well you can always say what is life. And can do we know that this life is even real. As far as we know the "god" that people beleive in might be a crazy person. And then how can we know that this life is nothing but a hold area where we are before we might go to some other area of being. And yet another thing that we could think about is that this is just nothing and life isn't there. That it's just a whisp of nothingnes. But i don't think we can ever know what life and being is Cause there's just as many thing to say what it is as there are to say say it's not. And whether all this has anything do to do with anything has yet to be seen.
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Post by chaos unleashed on Feb 6, 2005 15:53:18 GMT -5
Well you can always say what is life. And can do we know that this life is even real. As far as we know the "god" that people beleive in might be a crazy person. And then how can we know that this life is nothing but a hold area where we are before we might go to some other area of being. And yet another thing that we could think about is that this is just nothing and life isn't there. That it's just a whisp of nothingnes. But i don't think we can ever know what life and being is Cause there's just as many thing to say what it is as there are to say say it's not. And whether all this has anything do to do with anything has yet to be seen. well, I agree with that kind of, I mean no one can say what the ACTUAL meaning of life is, but then you have to think that only God knows, yes we have our own inpterpreations but how do we know that there actually true.. Dont get me wrong, there have been huge incidances where the church is to blame, the priest molestation is just one of them, and one might say that how can God allow that if he is so peaceful, but then you might as well ask yourself that who gave me a right to say what I said, and the answer is- God.. God gave us free will, so if the priest did what he did, it was out of own will and not God's choice. Christianity states Jesus was alive, Islam states Jesus was alive, Judaism hmmm, I think they beleive that he is alive and has not come down to save the world yet. so if these 3 HUGE global communities state that he was indeed alive, there must be a God, But then again, we could say that they just did it to trick us.. No one really knows if theres a God or not, we have to die to see.. That's my theory ^_^
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Post by viobr on Feb 25, 2005 6:18:28 GMT -5
well i don't think he exist. i mean, if he exist why dont him show up why dont he do a miracle that everybody can see?Miracle id an interesting word you know? it cames from roman speach and is traduced by unexplenable thing. I beliave that god is only apilar of hope for sustain the world from deth desire
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